bush 43 was re-elected. when he went on a tour around privatizing social security and paul ryan was the first one to author that legislation. so let's see what they mean and i know democrats will never stand for breaking the guarantee. >> bill: that, in fact is what they mean by entitlement reform. senator dick durbin was over at the senator for american progress yesterday and he made it very, very clear that when the word entitlement reform is used or the phrase, there's one thing it should not include. here's senator durbin. >> i think we should take social security off the table for the current fiscal cliff and deficit discussion but be very honest about what we're going to achieve in the near term. i think we should create the equivalent of a simpson bowles commission for social security and give them eight months to a year, a directive to come up with a plan to buy 75 years of solvency for social security. >> bill: social security is really a different issue isn't it? >> absolutely. it is. i would agree